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Yerboogieman
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Aaron Cake
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 Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 10:31:20 AM
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| Proof though of what exactly? And I still don't really know who that guy is. |
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Yerboogieman
Nobel Prize Winner
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Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 12:48:51 PM
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| You look like Michael Cera. He played in Super Bad and Year One. |
If you don't have the time to do it right, when will you have the time to do it over? |
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jun 20 2011 : 2:36:30 PM
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I gather that both those are movies?
Actually I know "Super Bad" is a movie though I've never seen it. Never heard of "Year One".
I also don't think I look like him other than a slight resemblance. And only from certain angles. |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
A Land Down Under
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Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 01:44:35 AM
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Take a look at what Google Image Search finds to be similar to Aaron's face. Britney Spears is in their too! You sexy devil. Don't get the wrong idea. 
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When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
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Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 05:52:30 AM
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Holy shit! Miss Ignorance USA 2011 discusses Evolution in school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7srP7lOlE&feature=feedf
Aaron, this might be another one of those videos you'll watch for a few seconds and then stop. I don't blame you mate. A good laugh though. |
When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jun 25 2011 : 10:23:20 AM
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I watched a few minutes but I was called away to something else. Hilarious!
One thing that bothers me, on both sides of the "argument", is when people say "I believe in evolution" or "I don't believe in evolution". Evolution is NOT a religion, or opinion, or feeling. It is a scientific theory, supported by reams of peer reviewed and verifiable evidence. So when speaking of evolution, one should say "I support evolution" or "I don't support evolution". Note the non-use of the word "belief". Then, if a person doesn't support evolution, they better be ready to present an equally as plausible theory which is also supported by vast reams of scientific data.
I fully agree that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught in schools. Evolution belongs in science class. Intelligent design is a component of religious studies. All schools, even those who are not faith-based, should offer a religious studies class (world religion or the like). |
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wasssup1990
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Posted - Jun 25 2011 : 12:24:20 PM
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One thing that bothers me, on both sides of the "argument", is when people say "I believe in evolution" or "I don't believe in evolution". Evolution is NOT a religion, or opinion, or feeling. It is a scientific theory, supported by reams of peer reviewed and verifiable evidence. So when speaking of evolution, one should say "I support evolution" or "I don't support evolution". Note the non-use of the word "belief". Then, if a person doesn't support evolution, they better be ready to present an equally as plausible theory which is also supported by vast reams of scientific data.
Yeah, I notice this as well.
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I fully agree that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught in schools. Evolution belongs in science class. Intelligent design is a component of religious studies. All schools, even those who are not faith-based, should offer a religious studies class (world religion or the like).
Yes, people should be given the option to learn both. Where Evolution belongs specifically in a biology class and ID in religious studies, where both are electives. Ultimately the one with the evidence on its side will capture the minds of most people I think. I can't see what ID has going for it in the way of evidence apart from just saying "Look at this creature. It looks like it has been designed, so therefore it must be designed.". The logic there couldn't get any worse in my opinion, especially in the times we live in.
At my High School I can't remember religious studies being taught at all. There was never a hint of religion to be seen. I don't even remember being taught evolution, but I suppose that was taught in biology class which I didn't choose as an elective since I honestly have little interest in biology. The school has a permanent welcome sign out the front with "Science and Technology" on it. The school held somewhere between 1000 to 2000 students. Good times.
There's a talk-back radio host here in Melbourne who has stated he is an Atheist and there just happened to be some topic that came up about religion and its effect on society or something like that. Needless to say he got a few religious nuts ringing up asking him "How can you not believe in God? Take a look around. There are signs of God everywhere.". This is why people need to have some basic understanding of evolution so that they don't feel compelled to come to such conclusions and present arguments out of sheer ignorance. When islanders first saw planes flying over them, they worshipped them as gods and even tried to build replicas of what they had seen. Only if they had the slightest idea of what they really were would they think differently. A plane to these islanders is what evolution is to us - but not all.
Evolution -> Supported by evidence. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be talking about it in science. Progress made = High (Genetics, Heredity, etc.).
Intelligent Design -> Supported by peoples beliefs and not evidence. Progress made = What progress?
I'm all for what works and what advances the human species, not the contrary. |
When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. |
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Yerboogieman
Nobel Prize Winner
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Posted - Jun 25 2011 : 9:39:03 PM
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Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, it's fine to be proud of it, but please, don't whip it out in public and please don't try to cram it down other peoples throats.
I agree, If someone has a theory, they should be able to back it up with scientific data and research. If you bring up something like "My religion told me this, so it must be true" no one in their right mind should believe you.
Remember, A theory never becomes a fact. That's why they call it a scientific theory, not a scientific fact.
Gravity is a theory.
The world being round is also a theory. Although, that is VASTLY backed up by scientific data. |
If you don't have the time to do it right, when will you have the time to do it over? |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
A Land Down Under
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Posted - Jun 27 2011 : 07:33:07 AM
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Originally posted by Yerboogieman
Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, it's fine to be proud of it, but please, don't whip it out in public and please don't try to cram it down other peoples throats.
That's a funny way of putting it.
Having thought about it, I actually did get taught a little bit about religion in High School. It was in History class.
The question was; how did the Americas become so religious, or something like that. My teacher was Canadian. I should have listened to her more on the topic, but I was not interested at the time. Instead, I was drawing electronic schematics in the back of my book.
I wish it wasn't compulsory to learn another (vocal) language in the earlier years of my high school. Although it would be cool to know another language, I had absolutely no interest and I learned nothing - again, too busy drawing schematics. The same goes for religious studies and biology (a branch of science). If you don't give a rats arse, then choose another subject to study. I do however think that the basics of evolution should be taught in the early, compulsory years of the science subject. Then, if the student chooses, they can choose biology as an elective to learn more. Religious studies should be offered but I certainly think they shouldn't be compulsory unless they are taught in a compulsory class like History, as in my case. Having said all of that, I must re-state that my school was a public High School and was Science and Technology oriented. Things would obviously be different for a religiously oriented school.
I remember hearing that some kids didn't care about the religious stuff that they were being taught at their religious school, but they had no choice because their parents forced them to go there.  |
When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jul 01 2011 : 10:42:40 AM
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Originally posted by wasssup1990Yes, people should be given the option to learn both. Where Evolution belongs specifically in a biology class and ID in religious studies, where both are electives. Ultimately the one with the evidence on its side will capture the minds of most people I think. I can't see what ID has going for it in the way of evidence apart from just saying "Look at this creature. It looks like it has been designed, so therefore it must be designed.". The logic there couldn't get any worse in my opinion, especially in the times we live in.
Unfortunately, the one that is easier to understand will capture the minds of most people. Critical thinking can't be taught (if it could, it should be a compulsory course throughout the entire school "career") and most people severely lack it. Of course, those who have been brainwashed their entire life at home to grow up under their parents religion (something I always find funny about the true believers...they don't seem to understand they would believe in whatever religion they were brought under...) are mostly lost. It's hard to go against home life. There were kids who had parental notes to be excused from science and sex ed (a component of religion...yikes!) the entire time I went to school (note: Catholic elementary and high schools).
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At my High School I can't remember religious studies being taught at all. There was never a hint of religion to be seen. I don't even remember being taught evolution, but I suppose that was taught in biology class which I didn't choose as an elective since I honestly have little interest in biology.
That's really too bad. Both are important to understanding how the world is as it is. Plus, the knowledge of religion gives you all those tasty facts that you can use to refute the "true believers", which often know little of their faith. Like the poster a few weeks ago from Nigeria.
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everywhere.". This is why people need to have some basic understanding of evolution so that they don't feel compelled to come to such conclusions and present arguments out of sheer ignorance.
Not even evolution, but just plain old science. If most people didn't see the world as a black box of magical devices, I'd think there would be a large downturn in religion. Those people need to lose the default view of "I don't understand it, therefor it must be supernatural".
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When islanders first saw planes flying over them, they worshipped them as gods and even tried to build replicas of what they had seen. Only if they had the slightest idea of what they really were would they think differently. A plane to these islanders is what evolution is to us - but not all.
Ever read about the Cargo Cults of the South Pacific?
http://www.damninteresting.com/john-frum-and-the-cargo-cults/
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Originally posted by Yerboogieman
Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, it's fine to be proud of it, but please, don't whip it out in public and please don't try to cram it down other peoples throats.
What, what? I'm not supposed to do that? Wow, that explains a number of awkward social situations.
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Remember, A theory never becomes a fact. That's why they call it a scientific theory, not a scientific fact.
Gravity is a theory.
It's funny you should mention that because that's one of the argument the god-botherers bring up when trying to point out the fruitlessness of science. They say "Well gravity is just a theory. How can science question gravity when it's obvious?". My usual reply is "Feel free to conduct your own gravity research by stepping off the roof of a tall building. I look forward to reading your report".
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The world being round is also a theory. Although, that is VASTLY backed up by scientific data.
Isn't the Earth ovular?
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Originally posted by wasssup1990I wish it wasn't compulsory to learn another (vocal) language in the earlier years of my high school. Although it would be cool to know another language, I had absolutely no interest and I learned nothing - again, too busy drawing schematics.
We had to learn French from grade 1 all the way to grade 11, at which point it became optional. Huge waste of time.
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I remember hearing that some kids didn't care about the religious stuff that they were being taught at their religious school, but they had no choice because their parents forced them to go there.
I also wonder about those who convert between religions. Did they ever really believe in either one? |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
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Posted - Jul 01 2011 : 12:38:15 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake
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Originally posted by wasssup1990Yes, people should be given the option to learn both. Where Evolution belongs specifically in a biology class and ID in religious studies, where both are electives. Ultimately the one with the evidence on its side will capture the minds of most people I think. I can't see what ID has going for it in the way of evidence apart from just saying "Look at this creature. It looks like it has been designed, so therefore it must be designed.". The logic there couldn't get any worse in my opinion, especially in the times we live in.
Unfortunately, the one that is easier to understand will capture the minds of most people. Critical thinking can't be taught (if it could, it should be a compulsory course throughout the entire school "career") and most people severely lack it. Of course, those who have been brainwashed their entire life at home to grow up under their parents religion (something I always find funny about the true believers...they don't seem to understand they would believe in whatever religion they were brought under...) are mostly lost. It's hard to go against home life. There were kids who had parental notes to be excused from science and sex ed (a component of religion...yikes!) the entire time I went to school (note: Catholic elementary and high schools).
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At my High School I can't remember religious studies being taught at all. There was never a hint of religion to be seen. I don't even remember being taught evolution, but I suppose that was taught in biology class which I didn't choose as an elective since I honestly have little interest in biology.
That's really too bad. Both are important to understanding how the world is as it is. Plus, the knowledge of religion gives you all those tasty facts that you can use to refute the "true believers", which often know little of their faith. Like the poster a few weeks ago from Nigeria.
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everywhere.". This is why people need to have some basic understanding of evolution so that they don't feel compelled to come to such conclusions and present arguments out of sheer ignorance.
Not even evolution, but just plain old science. If most people didn't see the world as a black box of magical devices, I'd think there would be a large downturn in religion. Those people need to lose the default view of "I don't understand it, therefor it must be supernatural".
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When islanders first saw planes flying over them, they worshipped them as gods and even tried to build replicas of what they had seen. Only if they had the slightest idea of what they really were would they think differently. A plane to these islanders is what evolution is to us - but not all.
Ever read about the Cargo Cults of the South Pacific?
http://www.damninteresting.com/john-frum-and-the-cargo-cults/
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Originally posted by Yerboogieman
Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, it's fine to be proud of it, but please, don't whip it out in public and please don't try to cram it down other peoples throats.
What, what? I'm not supposed to do that? Wow, that explains a number of awkward social situations.
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Remember, A theory never becomes a fact. That's why they call it a scientific theory, not a scientific fact.
Gravity is a theory.
It's funny you should mention that because that's one of the argument the god-botherers bring up when trying to point out the fruitlessness of science. They say "Well gravity is just a theory. How can science question gravity when it's obvious?". My usual reply is "Feel free to conduct your own gravity research by stepping off the roof of a tall building. I look forward to reading your report".
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The world being round is also a theory. Although, that is VASTLY backed up by scientific data.
Isn't the Earth ovular?
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Originally posted by wasssup1990I wish it wasn't compulsory to learn another (vocal) language in the earlier years of my high school. Although it would be cool to know another language, I had absolutely no interest and I learned nothing - again, too busy drawing schematics.
We had to learn French from grade 1 all the way to grade 11, at which point it became optional. Huge waste of time.
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I remember hearing that some kids didn't care about the religious stuff that they were being taught at their religious school, but they had no choice because their parents forced them to go there.
I also wonder about those who convert between religions. Did they ever really believe in either one?
I looked at the link you posted and damn! The Cargo Cults are very interesting.
In year/grade 10, there was a new overseas student from the Solomon Islands that had arrived. One of my friends brought him into our little social group and we eventually began talking about religion and all those goodies. Both of those guys at the time had a fairly strong religious/supernatural viewpoint of the world. There was one thing that the guy from the Solomon Islands asked me that I'll never forget. "How does a baby survive in the womb if nobody is feeding it? It must be god." He was dead serious too! I politely explained to him how it works and my other friend supported me (he was also religious as previously mentioned). The new guy (from the Solomon Islands) just accepted what I had explained without further questioning merely because his religious friend had confirmed what I said. I honestly felt like looking at the ground and shaking my head, but I didn't. It rendered me speechless.
Both are very nice guys and after we all graduated, the new guy went back to his island and everyone lost contact with him. The other guy is still my friend and we contact each other when we can. Let's just say we're on the same page now and that I have given him some inspiration and tools to filter out the bullshit that so desperatly wants you to step on it.  Not all my efforts were in vain. He actually encourages me now to look up the likes of Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens. He also points out the absurdities of religion and the like. This to me is a good thing to see, knowing what he once thought. Hehe, I didn't "convert him". That doesn't make any sense. Some people will think that though.  |
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jul 03 2011 : 10:40:42 AM
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| It's too bad that the situation you described is the exception, and not the rule at all. Once most people stick their head in the sand, their mind is made up and that's about it. Not that I walk around trying to educate people. I'd find that as rude as them trying to religion me. Plus there's little point. |
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wasssup1990
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Posted - Jul 03 2011 : 1:19:00 PM
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It's too bad that the situation you described is the exception, and not the rule at all. Once most people stick their head in the sand, their mind is made up and that's about it. Not that I walk around trying to educate people. I'd find that as rude as them trying to religion me. Plus there's little point.
Yep! I totally agree.
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When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
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Mav80
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Posted - Jul 06 2011 : 01:59:37 AM
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| What annoys me is that in history, all of our text books glorify all the terrible things religion has done. My group of friends and I are the only aethiest in the whole school and sometimes we get harrassed about our beliefs, or lack of. |
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jul 10 2011 : 10:14:34 AM
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I love the "God made me an..." banner. In fact I'll use that saying next time someone brings up the topic.
I've never understood why those who are religious harass those who aren't. Surely it is against the teachings of most religions to treat others poorly? Then again, there are a lot of athiests that are, well, pricks. |
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