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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jun 14 2005 :  10:44:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
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So as the load on the engine goes up, what happens to the pressure? I would guess it would start to drop because the engine speed (thus air draw) goes down? So then pressing on the gas petal opens up the throttle allowing more air in (in a NA engine) and bringing your RPMs back up?


On a turbo engine, as load increases, manifold pressure increases as the turbocharger is driven harder by the exhaust gasses. Generally, in an NA engine, manifold pressure is at it's lowest under wide open throttle, unless the intake manifold/throttle is a restriction in which case the engine will draw a high vacuum under load as it tries to suck in air.

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The 'microcontroller magic' is probably a PI or PID control loop. These sorts of algorithms can be very 'tweakable'. I have lots of fun playing around with PID servo controllers in the lab. Changing the 'weights' of the various amplification stages in the control loop can make it do all sorts of entertaining things...


It's nothing really special. Most of them I'm sure are just Motorola chips.

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Kale
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Posted - Jun 14 2005 :  12:09:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kale's Homepage  Send Kale an ICQ Message  Reply with Quote
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On a turbo engine, as load increases, manifold pressure increases as the turbocharger is driven harder by the exhaust gasses. Generally, in an NA engine, manifold pressure is at it's lowest under wide open throttle, unless the intake manifold/throttle is a restriction in which case the engine will draw a high vacuum under load as it tries to suck in air.


So then the compressor driven by the turbo feeds the manifold which the engine is sucking on to get air. Interesting. Can you recommend an overview style book on NA vs. Turbo in engines?

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It's nothing really special. Most of them I'm sure are just Motorola chips.


Hey, the Caddy has 40 of them. At least they don't run Micro$oft products. Good 'ol assembler...

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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jun 15 2005 :  09:44:36 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
The compressor crams air into the engine. It pushes more air then the engine can injest, which creates positive manifold pressure ("boost").

Here's a good overview on turbos:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

Not sure about an engine overview. HowStuffWorks has a decent one for both piston and rotary:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/rotary-engine.htm

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Kale
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Posted - Jun 16 2005 :  1:04:18 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kale's Homepage  Send Kale an ICQ Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks! That was a pretty good explanation of the Turbo process.
Wikipeda has some good general engine links too. Just search for 'rotary engine'. Animations and everything!

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