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cirvin
Nobel Prize Winner
USA
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 Posted - May 02 2008 : 10:19:21 AM
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Originally posted by spaman
Water in its liquid state is not a fuel, you are correct Aaron.
Now take water and break it down to a gas, Hydrogen & Oxygen.
The automotive internal combustion engine used today is a basic air pump, requiring only three elements to operate, AIR (Oxygen), Fuel and Ignition.
BMW how has a number of project cars running on compressed hydrogen gas, Jay Leno drives one of the.
Using a product on todays market or make your own you can create HHO gas thru electrolysis process. Usining the HHO gas in conjuction with gasoline you can increase your milage by 30 to 60%, how ever you look at it, water is required to make HHO gas.
OH, there are some side effects
1) Cleaner burn, cars pass emissions testing without catlitic converters using HHO gas.
2) A small amount of water vapor it tagged along in the process and guess what happens, it cleans carbon deposits on the valves and heads.
The telephone also was not ever going to happen, neverless a wireless telephone.
Aaron, its works, i have seen it work! A crew member drives his honda accord every day 62 mile each way, has installed a HHO devise on his car using a quart of water he gets 73 MPG! How do I know thats true you might ask, well a group of us non belivers got together and came up with an idea. We went with him to a gas station, filled his car, noted the milage, and installed a locking gas cap, he does not have the keys. Its a fact! HHO gas can save drivers 40 to 60% in fuel cost.
Splitting water into its constituent parts takes energy, and when you burn those components in an engine, you can only get that amount of energy back, minus the losses in the system.
Where does the energy to crack the water come from?
Leno has hydrogen powered cars, not water powered cars.
The telephone was based on scientific principles that can be fully explained and do not conflict with theory, even at the time of its creation. It is a very poor comparison with what you are trying to sell us.
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spaman
Apprentice
USA
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Posted - May 02 2008 : 11:04:53 PM
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With the price of gasoline today, i thought someone might be interested in a method that is easy and can produce results, i do not see where i was selling anything, just offering useful information!
Its ok, i personaly will build 2 of these and save money and reduce emmisions, one for my riding mower, it will operate on 100% hho, the other on my 92 excort that get 32mpg now, i can expect 60 to 75mpg.
Gasoline as a liquid does not burn! Its vapor does.
Water as a liquid does not burn! Its vapor (hho) burns 3 times hotter than gasoline.
Just a little info, this process was discovered in 1938.
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
A Land Down Under
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Posted - May 03 2008 : 09:31:19 AM
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| I have never liked the idea of burning something to produce movement. Electric cars are the way to go. Lithium ion batteries are great but Ultra Capacitors are better. I'm just waiting for there voltage ratings to go up and for the prices to go down. Me and my dad are thinking of building an electric car. It's just an idea for now but I would very much like an electric car to be my first car. The beauty with electric cars is obviously their positive impact on the environment but most of the time you'll be getting the energy from the power station (mostly fossil fuels) which isn't totally green. However since the car is electric, you could just use solar panels to collect energy from the sun and then you no longer need to rely on anyone else to give you the power. With combustion engines, you are stuck in a rut. |
When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. |
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spaman
Apprentice
USA
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Posted - May 03 2008 : 10:11:09 AM
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That is so true, so to take the bull by the horn today, this is a easy to make, gas saving devise until the day we all are waiting for, Electric cars, just as a side note, i dont know were or how that will effect my job though, as long as gasoline is available and can product 900hp i guess we are ok, as you know the boy enjoy going fast and pushing to the edge!
Has anbody heard of propane as a fuel, i am sure you have. Many city goverments use propane in their fleet, large or small. Along with that are risk, compressed gases are not safe.
Porpane enrichment, thats what i am working on, just i am producing the gas that is used not storing it. |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
A Land Down Under
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Posted - May 03 2008 : 6:54:43 PM
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That is so true, so to take the bull by the horn today, this is a easy to make, gas saving devise until the day we all are waiting for, Electric cars, just as a side note, i dont know were or how that will effect my job though, as long as gasoline is available and can product 900hp i guess we are ok, as you know the boy enjoy going fast and pushing to the edge!
An electric car, if designed for speed, will slaughter a gasoline car on the race track. An electric car doesn't need a clutch, so there will be alot of acceleration available to the driver in an instant.
Take a look Spaman, you'll like these:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SsGeQby7Jnw
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9o15EALghp0
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When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. |
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spaman
Apprentice
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2008 : 8:31:49 PM
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Now thats what i talking about!!!!!
I have sent these clips to a couple people, things are changing, FAST!!!!
"Your the man" wasssup1990 |
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Aaron Cake
Administrator
Canada
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Posted - May 04 2008 : 10:28:51 AM
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Originally posted by spaman
Water in its liquid state is not a fuel, you are correct Aaron.
Now take water and break it down to a gas, Hydrogen & Oxygen.
No one will disagree with this as it's basic chemistry. However as always the devil is in the details. It requires significant energy input to crack water into H and O. The result is a system that is about 50% less efficient then just charging batteries. In essence, the fancy hydrogen system (when we are referring to fuel cells) is just a very inefficient battery.
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The automotive internal combustion engine used today is a basic air pump, requiring only three elements to operate, AIR (Oxygen), Fuel and Ignition.
I do happen to know how engines work. 
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BMW how has a number of project cars running on compressed hydrogen gas, Jay Leno drives one of the.
Yes. Now look up the performance and range figures. And try to find a hydrogen filling station. The issue with hydrogen as a fuel for a typical ICE is it's lack of density. The A/F charge is very lean as you can't pack enough hydrogen into the cylinder. The rotary is much better at burning hydrogen due to it's long combustion chamber but again, it's far less efficient then gasoline.
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Using a product on todays market or make your own you can create HHO gas thru electrolysis process. Usining the HHO gas in conjuction with gasoline you can increase your milage by 30 to 60%, how ever you look at it, water is required to make HHO gas.
Yeah, and? Adding hydrogen to improve gasoline efficiency is far different then running a vehicle entirely on hydrogen.
Hydrogen is simply not a viable alternative fuel except in a few niche markets. The fact that Bush is pumping insane amounts of money into hydrogen research will not change the laws of physics.
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OH, there are some side effects
1) Cleaner burn, cars pass emissions testing without catlitic converters using HHO gas.
My 1978 RX-7 passed emissions with flying colours without the use of a catalytic converter.
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2) A small amount of water vapor it tagged along in the process and guess what happens, it cleans carbon deposits on the valves and heads.
Modern engines already run clean enough to keep the internals clean. Carbon buildup was a problem in the days of carburetors and early EFI systems. Nowadays most EFI systems are observer based which constantly adjust the injector time based on the readings from a wideband O2 sensor to achieve the perfect (most efficient, most clean) A/F ratio possible. Spark plugs are going 100K or more without changes.
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The telephone also was not ever going to happen, neverless a wireless telephone.
Statements like this make no sense to me. The telephone operates within the laws of physics and is easy to implement. It was also created when there was essentially no competing infrastructure in place. Converting to a hydrogen fuelled system requires a complete new infrastructure, total redesign of all vehicles on the road, and the public to accept a vehicle with extremely limited range and cold weather performance (EVs with current battery tech easily outperform hydrogen vehicles on both counts).
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Aaron, its works, i have seen it work! A crew member drives his honda accord every day 62 mile each way, has installed a HHO devise on his car using a quart of water he gets 73 MPG! How do I know thats true you might ask, well a group of us non belivers got together and came up with an idea. We went with him to a gas station, filled his car, noted the milage, and installed a locking gas cap, he does not have the keys. Its a fact! HHO gas can save drivers 40 to 60% in fuel cost.
I doubt he gets anywhere near 73 MPG unless under absolutely ideal conditions, but I don't doubt that hydrogen has improved his fuel mileage. Any sort of aux injection can have the same effect including propane, methane, alcohol, etc. There is nothing extraordinary here.
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Electric cars, just as a side note, i dont know were or how that will effect my job though, as long as gasoline is available and can product 900hp i guess we are ok, as you know the boy enjoy going fast and pushing to the edge!
Exactly how many gasoline cars are on the road making 900HP? People always say electric cars are slow, but 99% of gasoline vehicles on the road are not only slow, but they are dead boring and very generic.
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Has anbody heard of propane as a fuel, i am sure you have. Many city goverments use propane in their fleet, large or small. Along with that are risk, compressed gases are not safe.
Propane is a very often used fuel around here. All police cars, many taxis, some government vehicles. Compressed gasses like propane are orders of magnitude safer then gasoline. Gasoline is one of the most ridiculous, most unsafe systems every designed yet it's amazing that most people don't give it a 2nd thought. |
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spaman
Apprentice
USA
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Posted - May 05 2008 : 07:38:52 AM
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Hello Aaron
Take a look at this site, read some of the feedbacks.
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm
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I drive such a car almost every day. 60 MPG is about the minimum city mileage I see in my 2000 Honda Insight. Normally it's between 65 and 70 MPG in the city, and above 80 MPG on the highway. When I'm not driving the Insight, I am driving the RX-7 and getting 8 MPG city.
Your Insight is a hybird, have you ever heard of an RX-7 Hybird, you can do it, without expensive electric equipment (which would be almost impossible) and with your knowledge and ability its very possible using this system
Now, i have the books and i will provide them to you, if your up to a challange
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Exactly how many gasoline cars are on the road making 900HP? People always say electric cars are slow, but 99% of gasoline vehicles on the road are not only slow, but they are dead boring and very generic.
Just a few thousand cars & trucks, they are not street cars/trucks and drive on oval tracks.
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