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Nerf Smurf
Mad Scientist

USA
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Posted - Oct 08 2003 :  01:20:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit Nerf Smurf's Homepage  Send Nerf Smurf a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Postscript: Interestingly, an EMP gun inventor, David Schriner, showed up on ABC's 20/20 in mid-February 1999 to demonstrate the effects of it for an overawed Diane Sawyer. After donning fancy protective suits and unusual-looking copper mesh headgear, Schriner tested his weapon on Sawyer's corvette and a white limousine. At a range of about 5-10 feet and with the weapon pointed directly into the automobiles' open engine compartment, Schriner's electromagnetic pulse gun made Sawyer's idling corvette . . . run roughly. [Crypt News notes it can make any car's engine stop permanently, not just hesitate, at a range of five feet with a sledgehammer aimed directly into an open engine compartment.] Once, said Sawyer, the electric locks in her car's doors went up and down, too. While Sawyer stood well away from her car, farther away from it than Schriner's contraption, electronic videocameras inside the car continued to work during the firing of the "weapon."



Edward, A. Williams Jr.
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Aaron Cake
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Canada
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Posted - Oct 08 2003 :  09:38:29 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
The "real" version of this uses physical contact with the car, and actual high-frequency HV pulses to lock up the ECU. EMP is currently (when looking at non-military developement) a pipe-dream. However, I would like to know what year of Corvette it was. Older, non EFI cars would see little or no effect from either device since they don't have a computer.

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robert
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Posted - Nov 18 2003 :  11:02:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
EMP has been designed for this uses. there is a plan for a EMP gun that can be used for stoping cars on http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm

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Nerf Smurf
Mad Scientist

USA
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Posted - Nov 22 2003 :  4:47:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nerf Smurf's Homepage  Send Nerf Smurf a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, Malibu did not give enough information. I have the movie. The gun Shot a device. Notice: Shot a DEVICE. The device then goes thru the cars skin, covering or whatever you will want to call it. Then when it is stuck in the car, the controller of the gun presses some botton that triggers the interferance or whatever. The gun looks like a bozooka, and the device looks like a 3 prong thing.


So, The gun shot a Device at the car. But the device did slow the car down. But the first time the car got shot at stopped in about 7 seconds.(this happened at the begining) They repaired the car and took if for a ride again. About 1-3 hours later when they were running away from the police, Police shot the weapon from the helicopter at the car. It took a long time to slow, But that was because not all the prongs go thru the car. But the the driver had to take the device out of his car (Using his shirt of course). After he got the device out his car, he threw it at the police car. The police car then Stoped in about 3 seconds (he threw the device at the copcar right in the grille. The other car (not the police car) got speed.) So the device DESTROYS the car. Does this extra info help at all.


Man there were alot of cops on his tail. Great movie. 9.8 out of 10.0. It was cool when the parked in the 9990 Square foot storage Garage. The police had the place surrounded. Then they had about 9 4x4's come out of the garage and push the cop cars out of the way. Then about 60-90 Nitro Racers busted out the garage. IT WAS A RAGE.



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Aaron Cake
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Canada
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Posted - Jan 21 2004 :  09:00:03 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:

Great movie. 9.8 out of 10.0.


You've got to be joking...It's one of the few movies that I actually almost fell asleep watching...The only thing that kept me awake was that each car was more ridiculous then the previous... -3 out of 10.

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tcd
Apprentice

USA
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Posted - Jan 21 2004 :  2:41:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Theory 1: Have you ever heard of something called Universal Device.

No.

It will "fool" different chips and ics that it is programmed with.

??? Not following you

Theory 2: instead of "fool" It probably Jam the Ics and chips.

How?

Therefore, it will jam the ics and chips nomatter what car brand.

You might want to look into how electronic countermeasures work in military aircraft as a baseline to speculate out from.

Edward, A. Williams Jr. Have a Problen with that?

Hey, on the internet you can be anybody you want. No problen.



HEY, KENMUCE , those are the kind of good questions we all need ask ,and the kind of statements we need to get to the truth of a matter

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Posted - Feb 04 2004 :  08:42:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
More powerful versions of this do exist, and the American government is developing them for use by the military to knock out large computer systems in entire cities. The goal is probably to put out high power RF with a wavelength that is scanned over the average lengths of the traces inside most microprocessors and ICs. This causes them to act as an antenna and conduct enough current to fry them or to completely confuse the logic circuitry. Similar to how aluminum foil sparks wildly if put in a microwave oven: localized regions match the wavelength of the microwave, the high power (~1 kW total?) electric field causes a high current in the conductor, enough to make it spark and burn. If done properly this would make the engine control completely die and any electronic fuel injection system wouldn't let the car run.

So you need high power microwave radiation at a particular frequency range (and remember, this radiation must penetrate anything between it and the car's computer). This is not at all practical for a hobbyist =) Not to mention you'd probably have 5-headed babies growing out of your neck from all the radiation. Perhaps there are lower power versions which could sent some erroneous currents in the circuitry, but those may not destroy the chip; it might just reset and be fine.
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