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 Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 7:42:42 PM
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poor aaron, four acidents? shocking. well i spose i cant talk.
my previous car was a 84 ford laser 3door hatch, 1100cc's
two weeks after i had my restricted lisence i went to vizit a friend, and we headed to another of his friends houses. this house was not in a city or town etc...it was way out in the middle of nowhere.
Now, i dont know what the roads are like in the states/canada etc...but ours arent all that flash when it comes to the smaller far-type roads.
yes, it was sealed, no you shouldnt go faster than 80kph on this type of road.
i was traveling between 80 and 90kph, comming up to a corner. no problem? wrong.
Turns out that the corner looks like its nice, long and smooth . trouble is it isnt...
its actully very sharp and hard, the camber is all wrong in the road and the road is thin...
the only way o go around te corner safely is to go onto the wrong side of the road, plant your foot on the accelerator and turn like hell.
my friend knew this. i did not.
i went around the corner and clipped the gravel on the side of the road wheel was only off the road about 3 inches.
Over corrected *stop here. if i had kept going straight, even with brakes, id have flown over a ten meter or so bank, major ouchies*
Over corected a second time and slid sideways about 35 meters into a nice grassy area on the roadside.
Now i gotta explain about this, on the right youve got a long drop, on the left youve got a clay wall thats (part of a hill that was cut into for the road to be built obviously) 5 meters or so high right beside the road, this clay wall stretches about 1km.
when i went around the corner and slid sideways, it was into the only spot around where the clay wall had been excavated further in for some reason.
i slid straight in to this clear area (the only safe spot around)
all would have been well and i would have slid quietly to a stop, had it not been for a great big irrigation ditch at the edge of the grassy area.
the direction and angle i was sliding along coincided with the direction of the ditch.
my front wheel went over the edge and the bottom of the doorsill hit the ground.
this caused the car to roll onto its roof.
at the time i was probably only traveling at 5-10kmh so when the car rolled it was pretty much hanging in the air on its side before it rolled. iltterally only just went over...
then this rear-ending...
so yeah...lol!
nice number plates too aaron:
http 3w - Very creative...i like.
yeah, the dammage will require a replacment tailight,bumper and some panels to be beaten out etc...
as for women drivers, i have nothing against them as long as they know how to control their vheicle in any situation eg, slippery roads. i think the women who have the "as long as it gets me where i want to go i dont care about anything else" attitude should not drive!
god, some women i know cant even pump their own petrol!!!
anyhow, that topic is getting me worked up so will leave it at that..
hvgenerator: um, ok. no capacitors then.
however, would it not flaten the battery overnight???
I also concur about Mazdas being easy to break into. I can be into an RX-7 and have it started in about 30 seconds...
-locked your keys in your car before have you?
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Epsilon!
Mad Scientist
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Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 8:35:28 PM
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why will the generator be running over night, unless there is some really dumb theif that keep trying to get in. Werent you gonna wire it so the generator turns on when the alarm goes off?
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BEatonNo1
Nobel Prize Winner
USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 10:51:13 PM
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wow, there must be a curse of the forum to be rear ended. I was rearended last week while at a stop sign, I guess he just wasnt paying attention? It wasnt to bad a dent in the bumper and it was pushed agenst the panel on the driver side where it scraped a bit of paint off. Ive forgotten his name, but he was extreamly helpfull. The insurance on the otherhand was not. First call this number, then call that number now you need to call this number, now call the first number so you can get another number to call another number. Finnally I was supposed to be met at Maaco where while talking with my dad and some RUDE insurance lady, that it had never gone into the computer in the first place, so I had to drive to another auto body shop on the other side of Waco.  Man I was PISSED OFF
As for the rental that was a different storry I grabbed a KIA sportsomething...it was a little "suv" it could of been an suv but they put like 4" tires on it...so it was 4x4 and 4" off the ground. that was the most fun ive had in a car 3 people doing dohnuts in a field in a kia....it was great. I think it bottomed out about 50 times.
As for backroads, they should teach a different drivers ed to people who live in the country. Driving down those roads is in no way similar to driving in the city. I know of alot of people (including myself) who have done damage because of the poor roads.
As for Women drivers....well I started driving saying that im not going to be sexest or whatever, but the thing is that every time I have some sort of problem it seems 68.32% of the time its a woman. Im not saying all women are that way, but It just seems that they hesitate too much. things like stopping on the offramp when you dont have to yeild. and getting on at 30mph. Also cutting people off, ect ect. It just seems that they have a tendancy to hesitate and not think things through or understanding why....Like ive said before, in todays society its morecommon to pay and have your problems fixed than to do it yourself, and women seem to be more suceptable to this pattern.
on your handle, I would use a thick peice of plastic or some sort of insulation on the back side then use some thin metal on top of that. An easier way to do it would be to get some heavy guage wire, and strip a thin strip of the insulation off the whole way down, but that has obvious problems.
My recomendation would be to use propane burners...I think in africa they have a cartheft prevention system that when the handle is lifted after the alarm goes off, a large burst of flames comes out from under the car, singeing the legs of your so called car theves
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Kale
Nobel Prize Winner
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Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 11:58:20 PM
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Re: Women drivers
Women are statistically more likely to get into an accident than men. However, Women are more prone to minor accidents, like fender-benders, low to medium speed collisions, and parking lot accidents. Men, although they have fewer accidents, tend to have major accidents when they do get into a crash. Basically, women are over attentive, and men are under attentive, sterotypically.
Dumb facts: the most likely colors of car to have an accident are yellow and purple. Red is next. Green is somewhere in the middle. Golds and champaign colors are the least likely.
Re: South Africa
True story:
A guy actually built a flamethrower system into his car. He used a bunch of perforated hose and igniters underneath the doors of his car connected to a fuel tank under the back seat. Somebody tried to carjack him, and he triggered the flamer. It roasted the would-be carjacker to the point where his legs were completely incinerated. In court the driver got off because the judge ruled that the flamers were reasonable self-defence, because in South Africa 85% of all carjackings end up with the death of the driver. Thusly use of lethal force in self defence was justified. However, I doubt you'd get that sort of sympathy from a judge in North America.
Go with the HV generator wired to a really good security system. It's your safest bet. There are some really good electrically conductive epoxys out there.
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Aug 26 2003 : 10:56:57 AM
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LOL. Women drivers being attentive. That must be some kind of a joke or something. 
Anyway, let's try to stay on topic. We can certainly discuss accidents in the Lounge or something, but not here.
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Kale
Nobel Prize Winner
Canada
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Posted - Aug 26 2003 : 12:29:28 PM
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Hehe... Oops. Ment hesitation, not attentive. To the lounge! *batman sounds*
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BEatonNo1
Nobel Prize Winner
USA
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Posted - Aug 26 2003 : 4:51:34 PM
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Well Im not shure if you would want to melt the guy, but you could get it to shoot out a burst of flame that may only give im light burns and make him look like he shaves his legs. then put a big sticker that says CAR WILL EXPLODE IF TAMPERD WITH!!
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Posted - Aug 27 2003 : 4:56:56 PM
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lol, i like all these ideas, but i dont think theyre lregal or nescesary. just wanna give the guy a fright...
um, true about what you were saying and not tru
due to saftey issues, the hvgenerator would only switch on when the doorhandles are lifted
so i'd have to rig up a switch mecanism somehow. unless i can charge the entire body of the car...
the hvgenerator would not go off only when the alarm was triggered because the thief would just run, not touching the car and not come back.
te idea was for this to be a detterent before the thief breaks in, not after... :S
Aaron, how long does it take for the generator to build the charge?
or is it instantaneous?
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revised plan.
*install alarm
*install hv generator
*rig up hvgenerator so it only goes when alarm is active
*connect hvgenerator to doorhandles via a switching mecanism somehow (so when pulled up tey send the 10kv to handles...
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BEatonNo1
Nobel Prize Winner
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Posted - Aug 27 2003 : 5:34:55 PM
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the high voltage gen may be way to powerfull. one problem that might occure is that when the theif lifts the handle and the current starts to pass through his hand. He may not be able to let go  so at that point he might actually open the door while trying to take his hand off. then since hes got it open he might as well drive it off.
Now say the door doesnt open, the theif gets shocked so he just busts the glass and reaches in and opens it from the inside.
Another problem that I see is that alarms only go off after repeated pulling on the handles or the door actually opening. some have mics that look for the sound of glass breaking. You dont want your alarm to be a pain in the rear whenever you get in your car. Or your friends trying to open the door and getting put in the hospital.
From what I understand on breaking into cars is that you stick the coathanger down the door and pull the lock cable. one problem that I see is that a good theif will only have to pull the handle once. then a shock wouldnt really deter him because hes already in the car. requrire you to pull the handle a few times.
My suggestion is to monitor the number of times the car is touched, if someone is trying to break in there going to have to touch the car alot within a small amount of time. So if the car is touched significantly within say 5-10 seconds, then you could activate the alarm or at least prime your system. then if the handle is pulled then you could fire your deterrent.
For the deterrent I suggest using a large explosion. when someone is breaking in they're really jumpy, so a loud noise would definantly scare them then if the door is opened you could have a large air bag fill the entire inside of the car. If the window is broken, that would be an instant jump to the last step
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Brian
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Posted - Aug 27 2003 : 6:20:36 PM
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I think it is a good idea to turn on the HV generator only when the handle is pulled. This fixes the problem of someone brushing against it, and the battery running low. You may also want to put up some sort of sticker so the thief knows that is shock is because he's trying to break in, not some sort of problem in the electrical system of the car.
Oh, and about losing what you typed when you had to log in again, whenever you find out you will need to do something like that, simply copy it to the clipboard so you can paste it again if you lose it.
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Posted - Aug 28 2003 : 12:47:02 AM
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the high voltage gen may be way to powerfull. one problem that might occure is that when the theif lifts the handle and the current starts to pass through his hand. He may not be able to let go so at that point he might actually open the door while trying to take his hand off. then since hes got it open he might as well drive it off.
-nope, a lower voltage eg 230v (our wall socket voltage over here) makes you grab on and not let go, a high voltage eg 10kv should throw you away from it, is that right aaron?
Now say the door doesnt open, the theif gets shocked so he just busts the glass and reaches in and opens it from the inside.
-again, a solution, the miracle plastic lexan will replace my windows around the same time as i put the hv generator-shocker on...
Another problem that I see is that alarms only go off after repeated pulling on the handles or the door actually opening. some have mics that look for the sound of glass breaking. You dont want your alarm to be a pain in the rear whenever you get in your car. Or your friends trying to open the door and getting put in the hospital.
-my alarm will b a decent one hopefully, open any shock(i mean motion) will cause the alarm to trigger. as for friends, they will be told, and if they make the mistake, they will learn fast...hehehe bvesides, the shock wont hospitalise...just hurt like hell (unless they have a heart condition...lol
From what I understand on breaking into cars is that you stick the coathanger down the door and pull the lock cable. one problem that I see is that a good theif will only have to pull the handle once. then a shock wouldnt really deter him because hes already in the car. requrire you to pull the handle a few times.
My suggestion is to monitor the number of times the car is touched, if someone is trying to break in there going to have to touch the car alot within a small amount of time. So if the car is touched significantly within say 5-10 seconds, then you could activate the alarm or at least prime your system. then if the handle is pulled then you could fire your deterrent.
-noooo. ok, activate alarm=hvgenerator armed and ready to go.
pull dorhandle up=completes circuit etc and 10kv goes straight to dorhandel. you were assuming it was triggered by the alarm, its just riged throuth the alarm so it'll only go when the alarms active.
For the deterrent I suggest using a large explosion. when someone is breaking in they're really jumpy, so a loud noise would definantly scare them then if the door is opened you could have a large air bag fill the entire inside of the car. If the window is broken, that would be an instant jump to the last step
-ok, like the bang, but would be just like random car backfiring probably... airbag would be hard to do, to complex and too much to go wrong, plus hard to conceal...
I think it is a good idea to turn on the HV generator only when the handle is pulled. This fixes the problem of someone brushing against it, and the battery running low.
-thankyou :)
You may also want to put up some sort of sticker so the thief knows that is shock is because he's trying to break in, not some sort of problem in the electrical system of the car.
-yup, was unna put somewhere on car a WARNING:HIGH VOLTAGE sign
Oh, and about losing what you typed when you had to log in again, whenever you find out you will need to do something like that, simply copy it to the clipboard so you can paste it again if you lose it.
-awe, it was a fluke. i couldhave hit backbutton, but closed window or something. just cocked up is all, lol. its all good aye
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Posted - Aug 28 2003 : 12:49:35 AM
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hey, cool, this topic's hot!
lol, the lil icon's a burning page!
dontcha just loooove those lil animated gif's?
aron or sum1 musthave put in a lotta time to make the lil f***ers tho...
appreciate the effort aaron
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Aug 28 2003 : 09:10:30 AM
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If you surround the text you are quoting in the quote tag (see the FAQ), you get:
quote:
Quoted text
Much easier to read.
Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the HV generator making someone's hand "stick". There isn't enough current, and the frequency is way higher then 60Hz (which is what causes the sticking effect....your nervous system gets screwed, and the muscles contract). Contact with 20KV or so high frequency causes a nasty shock, makes you jerk away, and can cause minor burns. But should be no serious damage done (assuming the victum doesn't have a pacemaker or the like).
The generator is "instant on".
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Brian
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Posted - Aug 29 2003 : 01:09:11 AM
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Another idea:
You might want to make it, so if someone starts poking around with a metal coathanger, they would touch a wire/piece of metal, and get shocked even before they get it unlocked. Of course, this would be hard to implement if the hv generator only turns on when the handle is pulled, but it still would be possible, and a very good deterrant.
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Posted - Aug 29 2003 : 08:59:36 AM
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put up cheap camera nearby and tape them.I promise they wont come back.I had everthing on my car before even steering locks,that did not deter them,but the camera did,dont forget to video tape,works just like you see on that tv show cops.
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