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Posted - Aug 31 2003 : 10:49:15 AM
Have any of you have seen the 2 Fast 2 Furious movie were the police shoot some type of electromanetic weapon at the car to fool the car computer so the car slow down?
Its this is true? Do this weapon exist?? What exactly do this weapon to the car computer? Can I make myself something simila??? Do it is complicated?
THX
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Posted - Feb 04 2004 : 08:42:50 AM
More powerful versions of this do exist, and the American government is developing them for use by the military to knock out large computer systems in entire cities. The goal is probably to put out high power RF with a wavelength that is scanned over the average lengths of the traces inside most microprocessors and ICs. This causes them to act as an antenna and conduct enough current to fry them or to completely confuse the logic circuitry. Similar to how aluminum foil sparks wildly if put in a microwave oven: localized regions match the wavelength of the microwave, the high power (~1 kW total?) electric field causes a high current in the conductor, enough to make it spark and burn. If done properly this would make the engine control completely die and any electronic fuel injection system wouldn't let the car run.
So you need high power microwave radiation at a particular frequency range (and remember, this radiation must penetrate anything between it and the car's computer). This is not at all practical for a hobbyist =) Not to mention you'd probably have 5-headed babies growing out of your neck from all the radiation. Perhaps there are lower power versions which could sent some erroneous currents in the circuitry, but those may not destroy the chip; it might just reset and be fine. |
| tcd |
Posted - Jan 21 2004 : 2:41:45 PM
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Theory 1: Have you ever heard of something called Universal Device.
No.
It will "fool" different chips and ics that it is programmed with.
??? Not following you
Theory 2: instead of "fool" It probably Jam the Ics and chips.
How?
Therefore, it will jam the ics and chips nomatter what car brand.
You might want to look into how electronic countermeasures work in military aircraft as a baseline to speculate out from.
Edward, A. Williams Jr. Have a Problen with that?
Hey, on the internet you can be anybody you want. No problen.
HEY, KENMUCE , those are the kind of good questions we all need ask ,and the kind of statements we need to get to the truth of a matter 
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| Aaron Cake |
Posted - Jan 21 2004 : 09:00:03 AM
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Great movie. 9.8 out of 10.0.
You've got to be joking...It's one of the few movies that I actually almost fell asleep watching...The only thing that kept me awake was that each car was more ridiculous then the previous... -3 out of 10.
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| Nerf Smurf |
Posted - Nov 22 2003 : 4:47:36 PM
Yes, Malibu did not give enough information. I have the movie. The gun Shot a device. Notice: Shot a DEVICE. The device then goes thru the cars skin, covering or whatever you will want to call it. Then when it is stuck in the car, the controller of the gun presses some botton that triggers the interferance or whatever. The gun looks like a bozooka, and the device looks like a 3 prong thing.
So, The gun shot a Device at the car. But the device did slow the car down. But the first time the car got shot at stopped in about 7 seconds.(this happened at the begining) They repaired the car and took if for a ride again. About 1-3 hours later when they were running away from the police, Police shot the weapon from the helicopter at the car. It took a long time to slow, But that was because not all the prongs go thru the car. But the the driver had to take the device out of his car (Using his shirt of course). After he got the device out his car, he threw it at the police car. The police car then Stoped in about 3 seconds (he threw the device at the copcar right in the grille. The other car (not the police car) got speed.) So the device DESTROYS the car. Does this extra info help at all.
Man there were alot of cops on his tail. Great movie. 9.8 out of 10.0. It was cool when the parked in the 9990 Square foot storage Garage. The police had the place surrounded. Then they had about 9 4x4's come out of the garage and push the cop cars out of the way. Then about 60-90 Nitro Racers busted out the garage. IT WAS A RAGE.
Edited by - Nerf Smurf on Nov 22 2003 5:02:52 PM
Edited by - Nerf Smurf on Jan 20 2004 12:17:42 AM |
| robert |
Posted - Nov 18 2003 : 11:02:43 AM
EMP has been designed for this uses. there is a plan for a EMP gun that can be used for stoping cars on http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm
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| Aaron Cake |
Posted - Oct 08 2003 : 09:38:29 AM
The "real" version of this uses physical contact with the car, and actual high-frequency HV pulses to lock up the ECU. EMP is currently (when looking at non-military developement) a pipe-dream. However, I would like to know what year of Corvette it was. Older, non EFI cars would see little or no effect from either device since they don't have a computer.
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| Nerf Smurf |
Posted - Oct 08 2003 : 01:20:08 AM
Postscript: Interestingly, an EMP gun inventor, David Schriner, showed up on ABC's 20/20 in mid-February 1999 to demonstrate the effects of it for an overawed Diane Sawyer. After donning fancy protective suits and unusual-looking copper mesh headgear, Schriner tested his weapon on Sawyer's corvette and a white limousine. At a range of about 5-10 feet and with the weapon pointed directly into the automobiles' open engine compartment, Schriner's electromagnetic pulse gun made Sawyer's idling corvette . . . run roughly. [Crypt News notes it can make any car's engine stop permanently, not just hesitate, at a range of five feet with a sledgehammer aimed directly into an open engine compartment.] Once, said Sawyer, the electric locks in her car's doors went up and down, too. While Sawyer stood well away from her car, farther away from it than Schriner's contraption, electronic videocameras inside the car continued to work during the firing of the "weapon."
Edward, A. Williams Jr.
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| BEatonNo1 |
Posted - Oct 01 2003 : 8:52:37 PM
disrupting!? I remember it more like compleatly and utterly destroying the cars computer. kind of like generating a localized emp shockwave
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| Aaron Cake |
Posted - Oct 01 2003 : 09:17:31 AM
I think the simple fact is that "tapping in" to your cars electronics via an external device is virtually impossible. However, simply disrupting them is rather easy (HV pulses).
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| Nerf Smurf |
Posted - Oct 01 2003 : 12:27:35 AM
i was in a hurry. And that is my signature
Edward, A. Williams Jr.
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| kenmce |
Posted - Sep 30 2003 : 8:20:07 PM
Theory 1: Have you ever heard of something called Universal Device.
No.
It will "fool" different chips and ics that it is programmed with.
??? Not following you
Theory 2: instead of "fool" It probably Jam the Ics and chips.
How?
Therefore, it will jam the ics and chips nomatter what car brand.
You might want to look into how electronic countermeasures work in military aircraft as a baseline to speculate out from.
Edward, A. Williams Jr. Have a Problen with that?
Hey, on the internet you can be anybody you want. No problen.
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| Nerf Smurf |
Posted - Sep 30 2003 : 12:38:51 AM
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If you look at Malibus first post, he was describing a device to *fool* the car, not kill it. such a beast would have to be specific for the chip it was fooling.
Theory 1: Have you ever heard of something called Universal Device. It will "fool" different chips and ics that it is programmed with. Or
Theory 2: instead of "fool" It probably Jam the the Ics and chips. Therefore, it will jam the ics and chips nomatter what car brand.
Edward, A. Williams Jr.
Have a Problen with that? |
| kenmce |
Posted - Sep 22 2003 : 10:19:44 PM
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Why would you need a weapon for each car? Big spike shoots into side of car, delivers HV pulses to kill the computer. Sounds pretty generic to me. It's doubtfull that Fords would take "different" HV to stall then Chevies.
If you look at Malibus first post, he was describing a device to *fool* the car, not kill it. such a beast would have to be specific for the chip it was fooling.
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| Aaron Cake |
Posted - Sep 15 2003 : 09:15:14 AM
Now, obviously the movie was stupid and this "weapon" doesn't actually exist, but there are a few points I would like to make.
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Sounds impractical. You'd have to carry a rack of weapons, one for each major make of car. that'd take up a lot of space down under the car. Then you'd have to dial up the right one when you're supposed to be driving. Then you'd have to aim and fire while driving fast. The air force spends around one million dollars (US) per pilot to teach people how to do this well. How much training $ do you think they'd spend on training officer Friendly? Also, what happens if he shoots it and then runs it over?
Why would you need a weapon for each car? Big spike shoots into side of car, delivers HV pulses to kill the computer. Sounds pretty generic to me. It's doubtfull that Fords would take "different" HV to stall then Chevies.
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Lots of things look good enough to be worth testing. I'm doubtful about it.
The version I saw was several years ago on Discovery. The demonstration was very effective against a modern car, and the device looked easy to use. However, I can't see it having any effect on an older car (carb, distributer) since there's nothing to "fry". Not sure if it's in use, because it would be difficult to "aim".
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| kenmce |
Posted - Sep 13 2003 : 2:22:14 PM
Have any of you have seen the 2 Fast 2 Furious movie
•No.
were the police shoot some type of electromanetic weapon at the car to fool the car computer so the car slow down?
•Sounds impractical. You'd have to carry a rack of weapons, one for each major make of car. that'd take up a lot of space down under the car. Then you'd have to dial up the right one when you're supposed to be driving. Then you'd have to aim and fire while driving fast. The air force spends around one million dollars (US) per pilot to teach people how to do this well. How much training $ do you think they'd spend on training officer Friendly? Also, what happens if he shoots it and then runs it over?
Its this is true? Do this weapon exist??
•I don't believe it.
What exactly do this weapon to the car computer?
•Nothing, because it doesn't exist.
Can I make myself something simila???
•You could make an EMP device.
(is) it is complicated?
•You could make an EMP device, I don't know if you could make a car killer though. If you have IC parts out in the open they are exposed to passing EM pulses. When they are plugged into the car the entire body of the car is acting somewhat like a faraday cage, protecting them from passing waves. If you attempt to bypass this by physically touching the car you still have to get your pulse through the car battery. Part of the function of that big 12 volt battery is to act as a capacitor and smooth out passing currents.
Kale wrote:
It was probably an EMP generator... I don't know if directional ones exist,
•How about a big old HERF gun?
Aaron Wrote:
...there is a real version. ...It is launched using model rocket engines,.... It delivers a HV pulse to the car, which is supposed to lock up/burn out the computer. Seems to work well in all the demonstrations I have seen (on TV).
• Lots of things look good enough to be worth testing. I'm doubtful about it. |
